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General Management and Marketing Advice for Software and Tech Companies

Integrating Sales and Marketing at Software and Technology Companies

In some, but not all tech companies, the Sales and Marketing functions are managed separately. They are separate, but closely related functions that some people (especially technical folks) have a tendency to confuse. Normally, there is a VP or Director heading up the Marketing department, and another VP or Director leading the Sales staff. But it is also not unusual to see a VP or Director of Sales & Marketing who leads both functions at once.

This all seems benign enough, so what’s the issue? The issue comes when actual revenue fails to meet the forecast–that’s when the finger-pointing usually begins. Unfortunately, not meeting forecasts is a common event in technology businesses, where forecasting of new software and tech products can be particularly challenging. When that finger-pointing starts, it often breaks out first between the Marketing and Sales departments–here’s how the ensuing “discussion” might go:

SALES: “You haven’t planned products that our customers want to by. You’ve priced them too high. And those leads that you’ve spent SO MUCH money on that you are giving us aren’t qualified, and are essentially worthless to us.”

MARKETING: “You’re not selling the right products as we directed, or presenting the positioning of our product line properly. All you do is try to sell on price, constantly discounting and hurting our margins. If you’d follow up on all the leads we gave you, get off of the golf course and work more than 4 hours a day, you’d be well over quota and the company would be doing fine.”

Sales folks and Marketers are different types of people, and tend to view the world differently and from their own selfish perspectives. This often nasty “discussion” as simulated above is far from uncommon, and can get pretty ugly–which can really hurt a company in trying to reach its goals. So what’s the right way to get the Sales and Marketing departments to work together as a team, avoiding all of this counter-productive ugliness?

SOLUTIONS TO REDUCE POTENTIAL CONFLICT

The VP of Sales & Marketing
One way to greatly reduce this conflict is to have a common leadership for the Sales and Marketing functions. This usually means having a VP-Sales & Marketing in your organization. If you can find the right person to fill this role, this can actually be a very good solution. Having a single leader can go a long way toward eliminating or at least greatly reducing this conflict, assuming he has a balanced background and perspective, and is fair, not favoring one department over the other. Good people to fill this role are out there–but are very rare, in my opinion. There are far more managers who have been put in the position of VP-Sales & Marketing than there are those who were suited for the role. Most of the time you end up with a manager that understands one function well, and gives short shrift to or completely screws up the other function. . You will often find this combined VP position in companies that are not “marketing-intensive”, where the sales function is the dominant aspect of the job. If the Marketing function is truly less important, a company can get by with this structure, although it usually isn’t ideal. You can read more about the issues with a VP-Sales & Marketing role in a previous article that I’ve written entitled “Big S, little m“.

CEO Demands Communication and Cooperation
If care isn’t taken, the very different personality types in sales and marketing can lead to some pretty intense conflicts. I’ve been a soldier, captain and general in this war–and let me tell you, it isn’t pretty. I’ve also (effectively) filled the role of VP-Sales & Marketing, which is a story for another day. Much like the battles between Marketing and Engineering that I’ve previously written about, I have seen this battle play out regularly in the companies that I have worked for as an employee, as well as at many of my clients in eight years as a consultant at PJM Consulting. Things can get out of hand very quickly, and paralyze a company. In many cases, the key is how the CEO handles the situation. He must go well out of his way to be a fair arbitrator in these discussions. Even the most benign comment can appear to show favor to one side, in the eyes of the other. Don’t ignore or deny the problem, or assume it will be handled at the VP level. It is the CEO’s responsibility to prevent, recognize and fix this problem. Be careful that you don’t inadvertently make decisions or set up policies that reward or tolerate company politics.

Departmental Social Integration
I recommend planning activities which allow sales and marketing counterparts to get to know each other as “people” outside of their project activities. In many ways a successful outcome is all about relationships, so closely monitor the personal relationship between VP-Marketing and VP-Sales. Also, make sure that the VPs are monitoring the relationships below them. Ensure both VPs are open and honest with about the relationship between departments. Also watch for arrogance (especially from “experienced veterans”) when screening potential new hires for either department that will interface with the other –arrogance often usually the trigger which starts the battle rolling

Integration of Departmental Functions
Encourage the sales department to get marketers in front of their customers. Hire marketing people that have had some sales or business development experience, who understand dealing directly with customers–and know what’s it like when your living depends upon making your quota. Insist that the marketing department include the sales folks in determining what a “qualified lead” looks like. If you can get agreement on this up front on this important issue, much of the finger pointing goes away when things don’t go as planned.

Joint Goals and Compensation Structure
It currently isn’t common to design department or individual goals which cross marketing and sales functions, but if you can find a way to do this, you are structurally setting up the desire and need for close cooperation. Design goals and MBOs to reward the two departments for working together. Also, don’t ever allow one department to “get ahead” by blaming the other–tie them together as much as possible in your goal setting.

SUMMARY

To limit issues between sales and marketing functions and ensure that they “sing from the same sheet’, make sure to pay close attention to the individual departmental activities, which can nevertheless greatly effect the perceived performance of the other department. Optimizing the cooperation between sales and marketing demands an up front look at things such as the corporate structure at the highest levels, the social fabric of the company, compensation structure and use of MBOs, and formal cross-departmental reviews so each department can influence the other department’s approaches. All too often in my practice at PJM Consulting, these things aren’t taken into consideration until after the fact–when things have already blown up and there is a mess to clean up.

That’s my view on this all too common conflict. What has been your experience in this area? Post a comment and begin a discussion.

Phil Morettini
PJM Consulting
www.pjmconsult.com

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  1. All good marketers recognize the need to not only straddle the line between sales and marketing, but also make it their business to be a healthy if not aggressive revenue champion. This approach works particularly well when the Sales organization is equally committed to aligning with Marketing.

  2. Paul

     /  June 6, 2011

    Phil, I found my way here via Linked-in.Your observations about the tensions between sales and marketing in hi-tech companies are absolutely spot on. I recognised all of them from my time in Unisys and Siemens! Your recommendations are also thoughtful and well considered, but let me add another perspective.
    Marketing has got detached from both the strategy of the company and from sales execution. Sales and marketing are just two parts of the same continuum, so I have been involved in some projects where we effectively create an industrialised end-to-end process that engages sales with marketing early, as you suggested, ensures that the messages match the company’s strategic intent, that the communications are relevant and timely and connected to very targeted and measurable sales execution tactics.
    We have had some excellent results with what we describe to sales people as the answer to “the marketing cycle of doom” and to marketing people as the answer to the “the marketing merry-go-round”. Although marketing people can be a little defensive, hence our different terminology when talking to them, the results and the better relationship with sales usually win them over pretty rapidly.

  3. JC Hewitt

     /  June 6, 2011

    I found this through Ultra Light Startups.

    Although I’ve only worked as a freelancer, this seems like a brilliant set of observations.

    From my perspective, marketing and sales are part of the same continuum, and unified leadership seems logical.

    Marketing should identify and soften up the target customer while sales executes the last segment of the process.

    Why are they so often split? Is it just inertia in the business culture?

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